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would you take blood?

by master chief in

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im confused would i take blood if i was about to die and had no other alternative treatment well to me thats allways been a hard one one to answer and people have allways hated witnesses for refusing it or not giving blood to there own kids.you see my mothers due in to hospital on tuesday and having a major operation the problem for her is she is inactive as a jw and has no blood card which is upto date what do you think she should do 1.phone elders 2.trust in jehovah and refuse blood.3if it comes to the worst take blood and live.

Number 6

Without a seconds hesitation yes!!

My wife was in serious trouble with the birth of our 2nd daughter in 1997, and being unconcious I as next of kin was asked to consent to a blood transfusion.

"What the hell are you waiting for?" I nearly scream at them.

"Well it says in her notes which are a bit out of date that she is a JW and we don't want any trouble." returns the consultant.

To cut a long story short I had these inaccurate notes removed from her file and she was given the necessary 2 units of pure red to keep her alive. So if it hadn't been for a blood transfusion my wife and darling 4 yr old daughter wouldn't be here.

After all this was over I sent a standard letter to any and all doctors surgeries/hospitals/clinics that we had ever been involved with asking them to remove all references to JW's and the blood issue that may be on file. This is a serious point. What if you were in a serious accident and the only family to give any consent were devout JW's and also your medical notes were very unclear?? Something to think about.

Medically speaking the benefits of a blood transfusion may be debatable in any given case but when it's a life or death emergency I would not hesitate. In fact my previous life as a JW is a was the very last consideration.

F**k the Watchtower. (Sorry; had a few tonight ;-))

Regards

6

16

I'm angry and scared

by MoodyBlue in

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i've been out of the witnesses for a year...and in that span i've become more of a skeptic towards any sort of religion or god.

i don't know if i will ever again have faith in a supernatural, all loving and powerful being.

i suppose this is because the only god i really know anymore is jehovah of the watchtower- who to me is nothing more than a jealous, angry and vindictive creature.

Number 6

Unfortunately the problem with coming from the Watchtower (particularly when raised in it) is that you equate a relationship with Christ and God with a visible human organisation.

This is the view pertpetuated by the WTS to bolster their clearly flawed "Faithful and Discreet Slave" concept which basically gives the power of life and death over 6 million JW's to a dozen or so senile old fools in Brooklyn. It translates as we are God's organisation on earth therefore you must treat anything petty/foolish/irresponsible or otherwise clearly mad viewpoint as if the Almighty himself had told it to you. Getting this fed to you several times a week for 20 odd years really does f**k your mind so its no wonder you are reading the Bible with a skewed point of view.

I would thoughrougly (sp?) recommend "In Search of Christian Freedom" by Raymond Franz. He documents with great detail how the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" dogma is nothing but self serving arrogance on the part of the Watchtower and has nothing to do with developing a relationship with God and Christ.

I myself for many years equated divine beings with human organisations on the back of being brought up in the Watchtower but I now see that whether or not God or Christ exist (and my jury is still out on that one); it has bugger all do with what the Watchtower says.

Hope that helps

Regards

6

25

df vs disassociation

by freebird in

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can someone provide me some insight or past experience with the pros and cons to disassociating oneself versus getting disfellowshipped?

besides the obvious of not having to deal with the lynch squad.

thanks for you comments.

Number 6

I suppose it also depends on your current status. I myself managed (somehow very easily) to fade away over a decade ago. If now they decided to come after me by way of a JC I would just not entertain them. Putting it bluntly I would raise my middle finger to them and tell them to sit on it.

From my point of view to participate in a JC or to DA yourself is to acknowledge that you still buy into their system. From a family and freinds point of view the end result will still be the same. They will still shun you whether it be through fear of the consequences if they don't; or that they actually believe that "keeping the congregation clean bull."

I would say on balance however, were I forced into it that to DA oneself means YOU took the decision not them. My gut instinct however is that when you realise they have no real authority over you then to even play their silly games is to still give some kind of sanction to their authority. Like saying to them: "I acknowledge that you have the right to treat me like this." It's your life not theirs. They will do whatever they decide to do anyway, being brain dead zombies following Watchtower instructions.

DF'd or DA'd; different road to the same place. Don' give them the leverage, just walk in the opposite direction.

Regards

6

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CofC in pounds sterling please

by ballistic in

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simon - why does the link to amazon automatically default to the .com with dollars.

i just went to purchase it and found the price in dollars so had to load it up manually which i suspect doesnt give you any credit (am i right)?

Number 6

Ballistic

It is because Simon's link is to Amazon.com

If you go to Amazon.co.uk you will find CoC for £11.77 (inc p&p) where I ordered it from

Regards

6

18

Is The UK Goin' Bananas?

by Englishman in

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whats a-goin' on here?.

i've never seen so many uk posters climbing aboard the 'postasy express.

is there a general tightening up occuring?

Number 6

Even us very rare posters are still here shouting for good old Britannia. Any one know exactly how many British posters here?

I too think it very strange that this being a UK based site has more US posters than Brits1

Ho Hum

Yes indeed Englishman BT at their finest 56(very slow)k down an old analogue phone line for £14.99. No NTL yet in Northampton...

Cheers

6 (Craig)

63

Thank You Ray Franz.

by Martini in

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hello friends,.

in a thread over at witnesses.net entitled "society bracing for law suits" fellow jw's are taking swipes at ray franz.

not too long ago, while i was still under the wt spell i also would have similarily spoken abusively of ray.

Number 6

May I just add my personal thanks to Ray. I read COC last year and it truly devastated me. Even having been out for a decade I still harboured the doubts of "What if they're right and Armaggeddon comes!"

After reading Ray's experiences I realised the Watchtower is just another cultish religion with a huge stranglehold over its members. I have just this week finished ISOCF and again truly stunned at some of the revelations at how the Watchtower conducts itself and the continious flip-flopping of doctrine.

But I think what impressed me most about Ray's accounts is his lack of rancour towards his fellow Witnesses especially at high level within the organisation. To be thrown out on the Street at nearly 60 with no material resources, slandered and ultimately set up for DF'ing would have given him cause more than anyone else to feel bitter after a lifetimes service. But no, he still has a love of fellow man based on TRUE Christian principles which most Witnesses would be hard pressed to emulate. SHAME ON YOU WATCHTOWER for treating this caring human being in such a callous manner!

From the bottom of my heart THANK YOU RAY.

6

I am not a dub I am a free man.

10

INTERNET

by Utopian Reformist in

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are we all guilty of virtual apostasy?

Number 6

Couldn't agree with you more Francoise.

That f***ing cult can go take a jump. I openly despise them and don't care who knows it.

6 (Virtually)

I am not a dub I am a free man.

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D.A. vs. Slow Fade

by Black Man in

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which is better in your estimation?

hit the borg with a d.a.

letter or do the slow fade.

Number 6

Hi all,

My wife and I did the slow fade in early '91. Well I should say quick fade.

Took us about 2 months to totally wind down to zero participation and only 2 shepherding calls were forthcoming. We basically told them: Don't call us we'll call you when we're ready to come back.

My parents shun us anyway and their 3 grandchildren. Contact is very limited to family business only. Sometimes I wish I did go out with a bang but it's too late now.

Never regretted leaving though. NEVER.

Take care

6

I am not a dub I am a free man.

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Oh May We Ever Live Up To Our Chosen Name!

by Englishman in

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there are some really weird and interesting names on this site.

just out of interest, lets swap details of how we selected our chosen "stage name", it could be fun!.

i chose "englishman" when i first started to lurk at h20.

Number 6

Way before the X Files was giving us a series with no answers we Brits were doing it 30 odd years ago.

"The Prisoner" a TV show originally broadcast 1967/68 told the story of a British Secret Agent who suddenly resigned without warning and for no reason. He was promptly kidnapped and taken to "The Village" Who ran "The Village and where it was located was never disclosed but conflicting hints are given as to where it is. The 17 episodes set out to break our agent known only as "number 6" by the top man "Number 2".

The two questions asked every week were to No 6 "Why did you resign?" and of No 2 "Who is number 1?". If you've never seen the series before I thoughrougly recommend it, and the final episode "Fall Out" where all is revealed??? is probably the most bizarre and surreal 54 minutes of television you will ever watch.

Why did I chose my moniker as Number 6? I first saw the programme at the very impressionable age of 14 in 1984 and as well as being the most mad TV programme I ever watched, it also started the streak of rebellion in me as my step-father initially forbade me to watch it thinking it somehow was the wrong influence. So I took the attitude that if it annoyed him then I was going to damn well watch it!

Also because I identify with the characters' struggle to be an individual against the pressure of "The Village" to conform. Also the fact that it raises more questions than it answers. I believe strongly in our absolute right to hold our opinions in the face opposition and that no organisation has the right to mould us to think what it wants us to think. (i.e. The Watchtower Society)

i used to post initially here as Mr Angry this being a reflection of how I usually feel when I read the heartrending tales of the trauma people suffer at the hands of the Watchtower organisation. At that time I was also a bit scared of being identified by others in the Borg who might know me. So my re-invention as Number 6 also brought down the barriers. I use my real name on my unblocked email and if those who once called me a friend and those family who are still in the Borg somehow identify my posting here and cut me off; the loss is theirs. I have been out a decade and wasted many of those years being scared of what the power the dubs have over me. My mind is my own.

In the words of Number 6: " I am not a number, I am a free man."

Be seeing you.

6 (aka Craig Reilly, Northampton, United Kingdom)

I am not a dub I am a free man.

44

New Bethel complex for UK

by JEMIMAH in

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as some of you may know london bethel is very close .

to buying new land to house a new complex (45 acre site).

it is not often that ibsa has kept a secret this long before.. any info appreciated.

Number 6

Looking at the HM Land Registry Website, the average sales for properties in London NW7 vary between £175,386 for a basic flat to £371,066 for a detached house. For those who have visited the sleepy North London Suburb of Mill Hill will remeber the quiet residential area the Bethel Complex lies in. So you can imagine what end of the scale properties lie in for that area. This is prime commuter territory at the end of the Northerrn Line with about a 30 minute ride into Central London, also immediately adjacent to the M1 at London Gateway (Scratchwood Services) at Juntion 2, and 10 mins walk from Mill Hill Broadway mainline station on the Midland Mainline. So this area is a property developers dream. If the current UK property market is anything to go by the Watchtower will make a FORTUNE on this site, £100's of millions at the very least.

Compare this to property prices in Milton Keynes (Bletchley) area postcode MK5. The MAXIMUM price here last quarter for a property sale was £168,985; with the MAXIMUM property price near Toyota Derby DE73 (closest postcode I could get for house sales, correction anyone?) is £116,704.

So after setting up shop in the Midlands the Watchtower still stand to show a very handsome profit. The transport, centralisation and other factors strike me as very incidental.

Of course the real reason is for distributing the much needed spiritual food to the bretheren. NOT.

6

I am not a dub I am a free man.